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Post by ace on Feb 20, 2021 11:33:56 GMT
Salute! We are heading together into a new era of RedBaron. The flaming bug is hopefully past time. Our esteemed friend Rens has established new flamefixed servers of which I would like to express him many thanks on my behalf. This time I made the flame bug fix into the Baronmmp.exe file itself and saved it with a name Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe. So far it is usable only for Rens flamefixed servers until other server operators adopt the same policy, I hope. One major benefit is that all players in flamefixed servers are “automatically vaccinated” against the flame bug. No one can’t accidentally boot the game when his/hers plane starts burning anymore. Download link for a general player, which contains just a new Baronmmp.exe file with a name Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe: drive.google.com/file/d/1znJYVAZgJ0qBEIozQat1lSj9EKNjteC8/view?usp=sharing After download, copy Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe to your RedBaron main folder. or go to Rens site which contains all you need, even much more, thank you Rens!: rensg.home.xs4all.nl/downloads/test.html#Flame_Fix_BaronMMPnew+RBST_filesStart your game with Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe, so far only for Rens flamefixed servers!!!!! Additional information: • Keep safe the RB_v003.exe, you still need it for unfixed servers • Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe should work on Linux • RB_v003.exe works with wine 6.0 on Ubuntu MATE 20.04 LTS, tentatively tested by Ace Happy flaming! Ace
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Post by halibut on Feb 20, 2021 19:09:36 GMT
"So far it is usable only for Rens flamefixed servers until other server operators adopt the same policy, I hope."
If im correct, and your saying that you cant fly on rens servers unless you have this "Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe"...well that is of no concern for me, as i cant remember ever having flown his servers. AS for the servers that are used for the two games played each week (devilles and war@4) adopting it, that would be a mistake.
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Post by raf56bowman on Feb 20, 2021 19:45:01 GMT
Ace, I'm struggling to understand this.
First, kudos to you guys working on eliminating this long-time problem. I don't mean to rain on your parade, but I don't understand the advantage of this latest development.
As I understand it, we (individual players) still have to download a new .exe file, as with your RB_v003.exe. And, we still have to remember to start our game with a unique Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe......on top of that, this only works on Rens servers or servers with this change - a step down from your original fix, which will work on any server (UNLESS it won't work on servers with this new fix, which I'm not sure about). So what am I missing here?
I can deal with this, but some players are not computer savvy, and I second Halibut's concern.
(EDIT)
What I don't understand is (if I understand your post correctly), is how my downloading this new exe file "vaccinates" anyone else on these servers who HAVEN'T downloaded this? Have I got that right?
So, does everyone have to dowload this new exe, or only a few, and others don't have to worry about it?
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Post by halibut on Feb 20, 2021 20:41:43 GMT
I might be wrong, but i read it as rens server wil dump you if you dont have the "Baronmmp_FlameFix.exe". And i dont think the the flamer "bug" is important enough for this sort of effort....its a bug, not a virus.
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Post by Swampfox on Feb 20, 2021 23:40:18 GMT
I love the idea of any security improvement of Red Baron. And obviously we want everyone to benefit from something like the flameglitch fix.
This security is not perfect yet (as demonstrated today on a Linux client). Or, if it is, people must be willing to accept and install it without being forced to. Some good things take time to be accepted.
We are a small group, and this needs to be accepted by all individually rather than being imposed by RBST (Klay Pijon), or other checksum type software.
I think everyone should practice exiting in the traditional way as a courtesy....as much fun as it is to see the plane go down in flames...even if you are in it! Then start using Ace's great advancement if you will. Imposing something has risks, and we cannot afford to lose any existing or new pilots doing so.
I would rename the exe something more cuddly....if it was up to me..which its not.
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Post by ace on Feb 21, 2021 18:09:43 GMT
Salute!
Thank you for your feedback.
I said “hope” and I would like to clarify what I mean.
Let say we got 5 (or just 1) new players who are playing in our game at a same time with us, totally new “Aces” as I was 6 years ago. I “hope” they would come to our game but those Aces would boot our game every 10-minute intervals. I did it sometimes and I didn’t even know that it was me. However, I was treated very kindly and I am still very grateful for that to you all. And especially grateful to Devil and Wolf who were operators at that time.
You are right, we do not need any fixes.
Ace
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Post by raf56bowman on Feb 21, 2021 18:52:51 GMT
Obviously the best fix for this would be a server-only modification, requiring the players to download nothing, which probably is not possible. I think maybe this latest change was steering towards that goal, but I was confused on how other players would be "vaccinated", and just who had to download the new .exe and who didn't. Your work is appreciated Ace, but your post was unclear.
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Post by halibut on Feb 21, 2021 21:12:21 GMT
Even though i was never going to use it, the flamer patch ace did was a great tool for those who desired it...all kudos to him. But for me it meant giving up my bullet counter and that for me, tactically, is flying butt naked. . And escape enter is so ingrained in my brain after nearly 2 decades, i do it without thinking. And as i said i dont want this sort of thing mandatory on the servers we play.
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Post by Swampfox on Feb 21, 2021 23:13:11 GMT
Well, howdy.
Ace updated things for me to better understand. Here is what I think we are looking at. I think Rens was not using the more advanced program Saturday. Correct me if I am wrong, Rens. Also, I believe the bullet counter is not lost in the new program.
To get to the point, maybe we should give it a try if everyone will agree to fly with the program next weekend. Then, let's all use incendiary bullets, and not exit (yeah, exiting would still be THE required solution if the test does not work out or cannot be fixed).
I think progress, any progress like this is worth trying....at least once....giving it a full gang try.
If the counter thing is not an issue, Hal...please give it a test this week.
Not sure what happens if someone unexpected shows up......only solution to that is put up a banner server asking "new pilot(s)" go to forum (where they would find a download link and instructions in order to get into the "protected" server. Probably best to just put the website name and I put up a link on the front page to the forum page for instructions.
Swamp
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Post by halibut on Feb 22, 2021 0:37:57 GMT
I think this is a totally unnecessary experiment. And as i wouldnt be able to use the redbullet exe, i wouldnt have a bullet counter. I have a policy...your server, your server to play with. Wolf screwed his server when he enabled clouds,his choice.
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Post by raf56bowman on Feb 22, 2021 1:14:21 GMT
Swamp, are you saying that the War@4 server will have this next Saturday?
I have asked Ace twice to clarify this. I have clearly mentioned on what points I am confused, and where I need clearer explanations. It seems he preferred to discussed this with you alone back-channel, rather than answer my questions here as I asked.
What started out as a voluntary download fix now appears to be becoming mandatory if this is required to access servers that have this. And just how does this enhance security??
I will continue to use his original fix, but I feel no need to download anything else at this point. And if I can't enter the server without this, well, see you later.
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Post by zilski on Feb 22, 2021 1:27:11 GMT
I enjoy riding a flamer trying to get that last hanger or two down! Plus turning an putting a bullet in my opponents Head before my ass is BBQ . The bullet counter will work with the new Baronmmp_flamefix. First rename or save your stock Baronmmp in a safe place, you will still need it for some servers like Dev's Hell! Then rename Baronmmp_FlameFix to Baronmmp this will work on war@4, Steam - GoG island and Rens servers.
I would not mess with server settings, just leave it up to the player, there choice to fly with or without flame fix. "escape enter" is always a easy fix . "protected" server = lose players!
Salute!
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Post by raf56bowman on Feb 22, 2021 1:43:37 GMT
So Zil, are you saying we can still enter these servers whether or not we download this new .exe? That is where Halibut and I are confused!
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Post by halibut on Feb 22, 2021 1:54:07 GMT
Yes, total confusion, for what, im frigged if i know.
I will be using escape enter, and if i cant get into the server, so be it.
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Post by zilski on Feb 22, 2021 2:19:05 GMT
The original fix seems to work on all servers with no problems. But the new fix Baronmmp_FlameFix will get you the Boot on most servers running security because they see it as a hack!
So far I can still fly in Rens server with the Stock Baronmmp or the Baronmmp_FlameFix. But i think the plan is you must run the new Baronmmp_FlameFix to fly there.
Hope this helps a little. I really suck at typing .
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